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	<title>Comments on: Why I pulled my logos from Brandstack today.</title>
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		<title>By: Imokon</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Imokon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branding responsibilities isn&#039;t that of just firms, but ethical freelance designers as well. I don&#039;t see that as a very convincing pro you highlighted. I think the more correct questions to ask are:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;#1 Is the value of a designer&#039;s work worth the $150 when they can make a lot more by using that same time and energy to write a quick post on a blog and gain revenue from passive advertising or even better spending a moment to get in touch with clients who would want a more personalized solution?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or even better make a premium theme for $20 - 40 that can be sold several times and generate more supplementary income than Brandstack could. You still get your word and work out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;#2 How long will your logo even be visible on the top searches with people dedicated to just dumping quick work into Brandstack? If you notice a lot of the highlighted members are friends of Brandstack that specialize in just that. It doesn&#039;t take long to realize this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I saw Brandstack as a waste of my time and loss of opportunities to make real investments. I want clients who I can work one on one with, not ones who will chose the design next to mine because it was $100 cheaper. They obviously don&#039;t value their own business as much or are not even aware of benefits they are missing out on. It takes money to make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branding responsibilities isn&#39;t that of just firms, but ethical freelance designers as well. I don&#39;t see that as a very convincing pro you highlighted. I think the more correct questions to ask are:</p>
<p>#1 Is the value of a designer&#39;s work worth the $150 when they can make a lot more by using that same time and energy to write a quick post on a blog and gain revenue from passive advertising or even better spending a moment to get in touch with clients who would want a more personalized solution?</p>
<p>Or even better make a premium theme for $20 &#8211; 40 that can be sold several times and generate more supplementary income than Brandstack could. You still get your word and work out.</p>
<p>#2 How long will your logo even be visible on the top searches with people dedicated to just dumping quick work into Brandstack? If you notice a lot of the highlighted members are friends of Brandstack that specialize in just that. It doesn&#39;t take long to realize this.</p>
<p>I saw Brandstack as a waste of my time and loss of opportunities to make real investments. I want clients who I can work one on one with, not ones who will chose the design next to mine because it was $100 cheaper. They obviously don&#39;t value their own business as much or are not even aware of benefits they are missing out on. It takes money to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Imokon</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Imokon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branding responsibilities isn&#039;t that of just firms, but ethical freelance designers as well. I don&#039;t see that as a very convincing pro you highlighted. I think the more correct questions to ask are:

#1 Is the value of a designer&#039;s work worth the $150 when they can make a lot more by using that same time and energy to write a quick post on a blog and gain revenue from passive advertising or even better spending a moment to get in touch with clients who would want a more personalized solution?

Or even better make a premium theme for $20 - 40 that can be sold several times and generate more supplementary income than Brandstack could. You still get your word and work out.

#2 How long will your logo even be visible on the top searches with people dedicated to just dumping quick work into Brandstack? If you notice a lot of the highlighted members are friends of Brandstack that specialize in just that. It doesn&#039;t take long to realize this.

I saw Brandstack as a waste of my time and loss of opportunities to make real investments. I want clients who I can work one on one with, not ones who will chose the design next to mine because it was $100 cheaper. They obviously don&#039;t value their own business as much or are not even aware of benefits they are missing out on. It takes money to make it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branding responsibilities isn&#8217;t that of just firms, but ethical freelance designers as well. I don&#8217;t see that as a very convincing pro you highlighted. I think the more correct questions to ask are:</p>
<p>#1 Is the value of a designer&#8217;s work worth the $150 when they can make a lot more by using that same time and energy to write a quick post on a blog and gain revenue from passive advertising or even better spending a moment to get in touch with clients who would want a more personalized solution?</p>
<p>Or even better make a premium theme for $20 &#8211; 40 that can be sold several times and generate more supplementary income than Brandstack could. You still get your word and work out.</p>
<p>#2 How long will your logo even be visible on the top searches with people dedicated to just dumping quick work into Brandstack? If you notice a lot of the highlighted members are friends of Brandstack that specialize in just that. It doesn&#8217;t take long to realize this.</p>
<p>I saw Brandstack as a waste of my time and loss of opportunities to make real investments. I want clients who I can work one on one with, not ones who will chose the design next to mine because it was $100 cheaper. They obviously don&#8217;t value their own business as much or are not even aware of benefits they are missing out on. It takes money to make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree -- quality design can&#039;t be bought off a shelf. It&#039;s a research-oriented service requiring a firm business relationship. Brandstack has its pros and cons -- obviously the biggest pro is to turn an unused concept into a commodity worth value. It&#039;s a way for designer&#039;s to maximize their ROI (investment being the time they&#039;ve put into this design item) -- and with some light experience designing logos in college, I know what it feels like to not be able to use something you&#039;ve worked so hard on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like your idea of the reference portfolio. If I were a client, I&#039;d be impressed by someone who could show me his/her full range of design capabilities and preliminary options for creating something similar based on an unused concept in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; quality design can&#39;t be bought off a shelf. It&#39;s a research-oriented service requiring a firm business relationship. Brandstack has its pros and cons &#8212; obviously the biggest pro is to turn an unused concept into a commodity worth value. It&#39;s a way for designer&#39;s to maximize their ROI (investment being the time they&#39;ve put into this design item) &#8212; and with some light experience designing logos in college, I know what it feels like to not be able to use something you&#39;ve worked so hard on. </p>
<p>I like your idea of the reference portfolio. If I were a client, I&#39;d be impressed by someone who could show me his/her full range of design capabilities and preliminary options for creating something similar based on an unused concept in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree -- quality design can&#039;t be bought off a shelf. It&#039;s a research-oriented service requiring a firm business relationship. Brandstack has its pros and cons -- obviously the biggest pro is to turn an unused concept into a commodity worth value. It&#039;s a way for designer&#039;s to maximize their ROI (investment being the time they&#039;ve put into this design item) -- and with some light experience designing logos in college, I know what it feels like to not be able to use something you&#039;ve worked so hard on. 

I like your idea of the reference portfolio. If I were a client, I&#039;d be impressed by someone who could show me his/her full range of design capabilities and preliminary options for creating something similar based on an unused concept in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; quality design can&#8217;t be bought off a shelf. It&#8217;s a research-oriented service requiring a firm business relationship. Brandstack has its pros and cons &#8212; obviously the biggest pro is to turn an unused concept into a commodity worth value. It&#8217;s a way for designer&#8217;s to maximize their ROI (investment being the time they&#8217;ve put into this design item) &#8212; and with some light experience designing logos in college, I know what it feels like to not be able to use something you&#8217;ve worked so hard on. </p>
<p>I like your idea of the reference portfolio. If I were a client, I&#8217;d be impressed by someone who could show me his/her full range of design capabilities and preliminary options for creating something similar based on an unused concept in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Imokon</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Imokon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Nathan!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I imagine a scenario where if I am charging a client a certain amount of money for branding - which is to look at their target market, competitors, and all the research that comes with it. To me it would add even more insult to injury that they see a very similar concept on Brandstack (if they researched me to begin with). To them it would read that I didn&#039;t put nearly enough effort in their project for what I am charging.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want to compromise the level of pricing that I have earned and neither do I want to be disrespectful of a clients project.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now is it wrong that I save up these unused concepts for myself and reference them with a selective focus group when it comes to a roadblock on a project that could benefit from it? On the contrary I think it is very wise, but not a first choice, as again I do branding, not just draw whatever the client says and say here you go. &lt;br&gt;Design and branding is a tailored service, not a product IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Nathan!</p>
<p>I imagine a scenario where if I am charging a client a certain amount of money for branding &#8211; which is to look at their target market, competitors, and all the research that comes with it. To me it would add even more insult to injury that they see a very similar concept on Brandstack (if they researched me to begin with). To them it would read that I didn&#39;t put nearly enough effort in their project for what I am charging.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t want to compromise the level of pricing that I have earned and neither do I want to be disrespectful of a clients project.</p>
<p>Now is it wrong that I save up these unused concepts for myself and reference them with a selective focus group when it comes to a roadblock on a project that could benefit from it? On the contrary I think it is very wise, but not a first choice, as again I do branding, not just draw whatever the client says and say here you go. <br />Design and branding is a tailored service, not a product IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Imokon</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Imokon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Nathan!

I imagine a scenario where if I am charging a client a certain amount of money for branding - which is to look at their target market, competitors, and all the research that comes with it. To me it would add even more insult to injury that they see a very similar concept on Brandstack (if they researched me to begin with). To them it would read that I didn&#039;t put nearly enough effort in their project for what I am charging.

I don&#039;t want to compromise the level of pricing that I have earned and neither do I want to be disrespectful of a clients project.

Now is it wrong that I save up these unused concepts for myself and reference them with a selective focus group when it comes to a roadblock on a project that could benefit from it? On the contrary I think it is very wise, but not a first choice, as again I do branding, not just draw whatever the client says and say here you go. 
Design and branding is a tailored service, not a product IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Nathan!</p>
<p>I imagine a scenario where if I am charging a client a certain amount of money for branding &#8211; which is to look at their target market, competitors, and all the research that comes with it. To me it would add even more insult to injury that they see a very similar concept on Brandstack (if they researched me to begin with). To them it would read that I didn&#8217;t put nearly enough effort in their project for what I am charging.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to compromise the level of pricing that I have earned and neither do I want to be disrespectful of a clients project.</p>
<p>Now is it wrong that I save up these unused concepts for myself and reference them with a selective focus group when it comes to a roadblock on a project that could benefit from it? On the contrary I think it is very wise, but not a first choice, as again I do branding, not just draw whatever the client says and say here you go.<br />
Design and branding is a tailored service, not a product IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fatima,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you think there are ethical issues surrounding the &quot;resell&quot; of creative work graphic designers have done for clients in the past? I think Brandstack is a neat idea, but I can forsee extremely awkward situations for a designer if clients found out about the designer&#039;s Brandstack marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fatima,</p>
<p>Do you think there are ethical issues surrounding the &#8220;resell&#8221; of creative work graphic designers have done for clients in the past? I think Brandstack is a neat idea, but I can forsee extremely awkward situations for a designer if clients found out about the designer&#39;s Brandstack marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fatima,

Do you think there are ethical issues surrounding the &quot;resell&quot; of creative work graphic designers have done for clients in the past? I think Brandstack is a neat idea, but I can forsee extremely awkward situations for a designer if clients found out about the designer&#039;s Brandstack marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fatima,</p>
<p>Do you think there are ethical issues surrounding the &#8220;resell&#8221; of creative work graphic designers have done for clients in the past? I think Brandstack is a neat idea, but I can forsee extremely awkward situations for a designer if clients found out about the designer&#8217;s Brandstack marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: BrandStack Fails: Shit Stack</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>BrandStack Fails: Shit Stack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the links: Brandstack the Silent Killer Brandstack: Unmoderated, unprofessional and unworthy Why I pulled my logos from Brandstack today Brandstack Ripping Off Designers Why I Hate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the links: Brandstack the Silent Killer Brandstack: Unmoderated, unprofessional and unworthy Why I pulled my logos from Brandstack today Brandstack Ripping Off Designers Why I Hate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Logo contests and design crowdsourcing. All the spec news that's fit to print. &#124; The Logo Factor Design Blog</title>
		<link>http://imokon.com/2009/06/30/crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Logo contests and design crowdsourcing. All the spec news that's fit to print. &#124; The Logo Factor Design Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] else entirely. Almost simultaneously, designer Fatima Mekkaoui explains in fairly dense detail why she pulled all her logo designs from Brandstack. I&#8217;ve always been non-plussed about IncSpring, whoops, Brandstack, so it&#8217;s interesting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] else entirely. Almost simultaneously, designer Fatima Mekkaoui explains in fairly dense detail why she pulled all her logo designs from Brandstack. I&#8217;ve always been non-plussed about IncSpring, whoops, Brandstack, so it&#8217;s interesting [...]</p>
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